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| kostavvv |
| Posted on: November 23rd, 2009, 5:39pm |
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Hello to everyone. I attended the Sfakianakis concert near Chicago Illinois November 2009. As he makes his way thru the USA, please, if you can, do yourself a favor and do not go.
It is well known that he is very "arrogant" and "self-consumed". I still overlooked this as he makes good music. I was very disapointed. 2 songs into the evening, he was jabbing the crowd to start dancing. He later called the crowd "cold". He was using profanity regarding the poor lighting. He ripped his band members during the show. The guitarist strummed his guitar and had the volume up by accident, Notis turned around with a disgusted look and stated "you will never work..." I couldn't make out the rest of what he said. He also called a few people in the crowd "worthless". One older man was dancing Zembekiko and he said to him "this is what I get", "how about a nice looking girl".
During the latter part of the evening he stated are you gonna sing or are you gonna dance? Come on, lets dance. His next 3 songs were ballets! He is sarcastic and cynical. He is very angry person.
Instead of ending the night on a high with a great song, he ends it with the song "sheep", with 3 large video screens showing the USA bombing Iraq and children bandaged up from the blasts. Please entertain us not be another political hack. Yet another signer with their crappy political beliefs.
He is happy to take our money and the last song, he gives the big "f*ck you" to the crowd.
I have seen Petrelis, Glykeria, Ploutarxos, Dalaras, Terzis,Koukinou,etc. all were graceful and sweet.
Notis S. does himself a great diservice along with the historic country of Greece, God have mercy on his soul |
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| Mgs_Alx |
| Posted on: November 27th, 2009, 7:38pm |
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Hey kostavvv
I would be remiss if I didn't reply to your ridiculous post.
I too attended the same concert you did......but have a different take on the experience.
You and every other pathetic excuse for a Greek that was present deserve to be ripped to shreds. I am glad you though Notis addressed the issue. Now let me try in a less diplomatic manner than he did. That was the most pathetic crowd I have ever been a part of. Absolutely disgraceful and Mr. Sfakianakis was too kind in his comments. I was embarassed to be a part of that. The crowd was late in arriving by over an hour thereby delaying the show....then as Notis stated, it was as if they were in church or watching a play. They never ever got into the performance. They were unaware of his catalogue of songs but for a few hits. They did not know the lyrics well enough to sing along. After the intermission....more than half the crowd was outside the main entrance smoking up a storm.
I have been to plenty of Bouzoukia in Athens and there is no comparison as far as atmosphere and attitude of the people. His performance was absolutely mind-blowing yet it was wasted on a bunch of lame so called Greek Americans like yourself whose minds have been turned to mush by too much American culture. Go watch the Oprah Winfrey show during her farewell tour and leave a Notis Sfakianakis concert to others who can appreciate it.
There truly is a real difference between Greeks in Greece and the water-downed bastardized Greek Amerricans here like yourself. If anyone was cocky, stuffy, and unable to have a good time it was the crowd you were a part of and not Notis Sfakianakis. No offense, but you and anyone part of that crowd that share your views were simply pathetic. I too am offended that you helped create a bad atmosphere for me and took away from my concert experience. You owe me an apology.
Poor baby...your feelings were hurt were they? Were you offended? Maybe Dr. Phil can help you. Rather than posting idiotic warnings in taglines on the internet, why don't you learn what really underlies the Greek culture and spirit and start acting like a real Greek instead of the embarasssment that you are. x: x:!
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| kostavvv |
| Posted on: November 27th, 2009, 10:39pm |
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Come on. The entire crowd can't be wrong and pathetic. As you probably know, Petrillis and Koukinou were just here and it was a blast. Dancing and partying just like in Greece such as the club, Romeo. I do know "Kefi" and Notis did not "bring it".
At Thanksgiving yesterday, I talked to my cousin George about the concert. He in fact told me the reason he did not attend. Notis S. played 2-3years ago at the Arie Crown Theatre in which he stated to the audience in Greek: "Kala pou exome tous americanous ta koroitha tous pernome ta lefta"
I have known about his arrogance but not at this extent. The older man who was dancing Zembekiko onstage did not need to get "ripped" by Notis. Also, do remember he scolded his band members? He told one of them that he has known him for 30 years and he hasn't settled down or had kids,etc... The person was mortified and embarassed.
Mgs_Alx, please don't overlook that, it's just not right for someone to do this.
As far as his song selection: it was unorganized. He didn't have more than 2 danceable songs in a row.
Trust me at $130-$150 a ticket, no one wanted to sit around, they want to dance and have a good time. He's like the "crazy old uncle", first he's laughing, then he gets cynical and angry.
Also, only the floor seats were sold out, the upper venue was empty. Probably about a thousand people there, was does that tell you?
Check Facebook as people are boycotting him. Next time around he will play to just a few hundred people, then less for the next time out.
If you had a good time, I am glad for you, at least someone out there did.
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| Mgs_Alx |
| Posted on: November 28th, 2009, 12:24am |
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Kostavv
I will concede to you that his song selection was not the best....I couldn't believe he played his two biggest hits...Aetos and Yenelthia in the first half hour of the show....Do you not save the best for last? Had he played those towards the end of the show, they may have brought the house down as the crowd was more into it by then.
As far as his political statements and his views on americans he is entitled. I am a huge fan of his as I think his talent is immense and there is simply nothing he can say or do that would offend me. he heas earned the right to be arrogant....he is simply the best at what he does. Simply a phenomenal artist. Please don't compare Petrilis and Kokinnou to this man...they are not in his league, not even close. |
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| kostavvv |
| Posted on: November 28th, 2009, 8:00am |
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Definately, no comparison. Notis has paid his dues and has made great music. Maybe a good comparison is Axel Rose of Guns N' Roses. Axel stops his shows early, has fought physically with the crowd and started his shows 1-2 hours late. A riot was caused in Canada becouse he simply didn't want to sing that night. Are they great performers, absolutely. Should they abuse the "fans", well, will let the ticket sales show.
Notis' ticket sales are suffering. My cousins who live in Glyfatha, Athens tell me he doesn't do so well out there either.
Ploutarxo is coming soon to Chicago, I saw him in Greece in 2001. It was a good show from what I remember. Maybe I'll just stick to Youtube videos of Mitropanos, Monaxos, Glykeria, Kazantzidis, just to name a few, at least I won't be disapointed.
Take care and happy holidays!
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| jen |
| Posted on: November 29th, 2009, 4:14pm |
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Quoted Text 2 songs into the evening, he was jabbing the crowd to start dancing |
sounds like he wanted to get the crowd involved...
Quoted Text The guitarist strummed his guitar and had the volume up by accident, Notis turned around with a disgusted look and stated "you will never work.. |
thats just greek humour, he always picks on his band members...
Quoted Text One older man was dancing Zembekiko and he said to him "this is what I get", "how about a nice looking girl". |
its the kind of thing even my dad would say lol again this is greek humour at its best 
Quoted Text he ends it with the song "sheep", with 3 large video screens showing the USA bombing Iraq and children bandaged up from the blasts |
i am very aware of Notis Sfakianaki's political views and i think its very brave of him to use his fame to get a message across to the people, more power to him.
Quoted Text Maybe a good comparison is Axel Rose of Guns N' Roses |
your comparison with Axel says it all 
I attended the Notis Sfakianakis concert here in Melbourne this year and i was very impressed, as always his performance was number 1.
Notis Sfakianakis has dominated the Greek ¡laiko¢ charts for over two decades, his a true artist
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| moshez51 |
| Posted on: December 4th, 2009, 6:03am |
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| eyoismos |
| Posted on: January 5th, 2010, 11:03am |
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though i have neer seen the dude live, sadly.......judging by the comments here...it sounds to me that somebody here has become overly americanized and way too sensitive in defending "mother america" or her sins.....while seemingly lost complete contact with the mentality back home....to the point that now is encouraging us to go nutty and almost go on a protest march
funny thing is......protest marches are the national sport in greece
which just makes this thread hilarious |
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| kostavvv |
| Posted on: January 5th, 2010, 8:45pm |
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Judging from friends in Connecticut and the "after scene" following the show in Indiana, most fans were not happy. The Chicago scene mostly reflected negatively with the performance. I must say, the few that thought it was good were Greek-Americans (originally born in Greece)
Greeks just have that cynical style that I cannot get used to. Americans got that youthful optimism and that "yes we can" attitude. That's why the world migrates to the United States of America, God, I love my country.
I guess the conversation can go round and round regarding Mr.Sfakianakis character and performance. We all have opinions...
I am definately "scarred" and "affected" by the performance and will take probably 2 years plus before attempting another Greek concert.
Happy new year everybody |
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| eyoismos |
| Posted on: January 6th, 2010, 12:47pm |
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first of all happy new year to you too and may all that you endeavor come to fruition
scarred? visit a shrink (that is after-all the national pass-time of many an american - how cynical is that of me?)
get serious man
you are completely exaggerating
so you had a concert that didnt go down well with you? it happens, and it wont be for the first time....i have had a couple of duds myself
but to go overboard and try encouraging boycotts? very "youthful optimism" of you
i must say...you addressing greeks in the 3rd person (reference to cynical style) while stating "God, i love my country" just confirms my first impression/conclusion of becoming completely americanised.
is that a bad thing? no. absolutely not. but then it, according to many, not necessarily a good thing either - its all a matter of opinion, economic and political outlook....which is why the world migrates to all sorts of countries besides the States - what you just said above just re-inforces what many think of the americans....arrogance comes to mind
but on the other hand, there is a huge spectrum of americans and respective thought processes that wouldnt agree with your line of thought either
bottom line.....if you feel like going to a concert .....GO and dont feed that bull to yourself and to others about being "traumatized" because i dont buy it
sfakianakis is about rembetika, mostly, and like the equivalent in america, the blues, give certain social/non-social messages and it certainly aint about "yes we can"
you see what i am getting at?
i would like to leave you with this question.....why did you go see a sfakianakis concert in particular,.....if you consider what i said above? |
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| kostavvv |
| Posted on: January 6th, 2010, 3:34pm |
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Hello Eyoismos,
I was warned before purchasing my tickets about the "hit or miss" concert Notis puts on. After years of listening to his music, I had to see him at least once for myself.
When I say "AVOID Notis...", it is to say that any self-respecting American or Greek-American for that matter should be insulted for pushing his liberal propaganda thru his music. Keep it to yourself! I'm paying for entertainment, sing and dance for me!
That's what singers and actors do...entertain. I believe after years of performing some artists want to feel self-important and push a message. Spare me.
Guys, trust me, I am known as a happy-go-lucky person, easy going,etc... but this stuff irks me, enough to actually write about it.
Take care and God bless! |
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| eyoismos |
| Posted on: January 6th, 2010, 3:53pm |
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damn....and i thought i would instigated a good old greek-style argument
i guess i will have to change my baite
but seriously.....all artists, without exception....when they reach a certain level of success, and influence,....like to !express their opinions"
notis is no different
you didnt like it....that cool with me and i respect that
but i am just curious if you have the same approach when any other artist, irrespective of nationality or origin, expresses similar ideals or thoughts or political stances to your own....would your reaction be the same? ie. "I believe after years of performing some artists want to feel self-important and push a message. Spare me."
just curious....or was it purely because in this case they where diametrically opposed to yours?
no..i am not trying to do anything other than start a bit of a debate
sometimes ,....and we are all guilty of that....got over excited and make mountains out of molehills.
music afterall is an expression of thoughts, feelings and moods, ....yes even the "sing and dance" like a performing monkey demands that listeners take the approach of....yet....the "performing monkey" is expressing those very thoughts, feelings and moods through his / her music......and yet some get upset if they verbalize those very same sentiments ...etc....
strange, huh?
i am just trying to start and have a conversation about it,.....and you gave me the opportunity....thats all
so .... no misunderstanding |
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| kostavvv |
| Posted on: January 6th, 2010, 4:42pm |
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Nice reply. Yes, Notis' view is opposed to mine. Heck, he's an athiest. So, I really don't even have much respect for him.
Really, the concert in it's whole was poorly put together, songs arranged that made no sense. Could not dance 2 songs in a row, time to hit the bar and catch a buzz to make the night more bearable!
The "provata" song was just the straw that broke the camels back.
Since my tone cannot be captured just through these messages, I am having fun with this. It's good talking to everyone. Eyoismos, your comments are pretty right on.
Do you remember the Dixie Chicks? They played a concert overseas and did the same thing Notis did (being political) Do you want to know what happened next? They were blasted, records bunred, their fans angry, they had to go on a apology tour and try to save their careers. They appeased the foreigners with how they were ashamed of the President of the United States. It didn't sit to well with their fans.
Aren't Greeks nationalistic? How would a Greek signer do if he made comments on how his motherland are "brutal killers"?
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| eyoismos |
| Posted on: January 6th, 2010, 5:00pm |
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my how the states has changed
what happened to the 70's and when then where pissed off with vietnam killings
as for greece....somebody seems to forget the junta era and how many artists ended up in the slammer
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| eyoismos |
| Posted on: January 6th, 2010, 5:09pm |
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and by the way....a lot of artists apologized for america and her policies of the time, on their international tours
only thing is.....they didnt have records burned or get blasted, etc....which makes one wonder about the category and type of people that follow the dixie chicks |
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| jen |
| Posted on: January 7th, 2010, 6:25am |
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I dont understand why some people think celebrities lose their right to have an opinion.
Every song tells a story, whether its one we can relate to, agree or disagree with...Notis has many songs with strong messages
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| kostavvv |
| Posted on: January 9th, 2010, 9:56pm |
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On a different note: I just saw LADY GAGA last night. I would have to say that it was probably one of the best concerts I have ever been to.
To give you an idea of concert feedback, type in google: "lady gaga ticketmaster"
http://www.ticketmaster.com/Lady-Gaga-tickets/artist/1249444
Almost all 800+ reviews called it the best ever or amazing, etc...
That's what I call a performance. Each and every song had a complete theme, visually and musically stunning. She has a voice, can dance and knows how to put on a show.
I'm sickened just thinking about the Sfakainakis concert, money down the toilet. Just resting on your past songs, doing "cover songs", throwing flowers around and making wisecracks makes for a crappy show. Take note from the Americans...NOTIS!
Ps. Hello Jen. To answer your last message: It's just that some performers think their message is life-changing or something new. War sucks, OF COURSE! So when Notis shows kids with head bandages, PLEASE!!!!!!! Why don't we just show videos of the most terrible things we can imagine during the exact time we are supposed to be there for entertainment! We work all week, take care of our families and pay our bills, SPARE ME THE " I KNOW WHAT'S GOOD FOR YOU AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU" B.S.
AGAIN, ENTERTAIN ME FOR GOODNESS SAKE.
Save the politics for the politicians, it's that simple
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| kostavvv |
| Posted on: January 12th, 2010, 3:45pm |
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What's up A8inea,
Saw your video, I liked it. Yes, Notis has "the voice" that represents Greece well.
I am digging the whole "art thing" with Lady Gaga, check out this video...don't miss the end...love it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kyDBpXgEVg
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| kostavvv |
| Posted on: January 13th, 2010, 4:38pm |
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If Lady Gaga or whomever went to Greece to criticize Greece and the Greek people I would think that there should be some very upset people.
Really think about it, the last and final song of the night was "Provata". Sheep! Are you serious?! That's insulting and you can bet people were irritated.
It's just dumb. If I would have known what I know now, I would have not gone, including my "group".
This is why I started this topic, it's all the truth. If people don't see anything wrong with his arrogance and attitude, then go right ahead, pay up, and get what's coming to you.
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| eyoismos |
| Posted on: January 13th, 2010, 4:45pm |
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you realize of course that greeks thrive on knocking arrogance and attitude
i can think of a couple of programs on greek tv when some went a little moggy ......both with expressing their opinion, while others ....tried to knock them off their perches of self importance
and they are not necessarily singing artists either
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| eyoismos |
| Posted on: January 13th, 2010, 4:47pm |
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now THAT is entertainment -  |
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| bounce |
| Posted on: January 13th, 2010, 5:54pm |
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interesting topic.
I don't know what your concert halls are like but most here in Sydney have little dancing space only. I went to a concert and i couldn't afford the table seating so i sat in an area where you could only sit.. The greek artist wanted us to get up and dance but we couldn't because we had no where to dance.
The people down near the stage had plenty of dancing area and they did but the majority of people are seated. I don't know what your halls are like but if their any like ours, there is limited dancing area.
If the artists want the crowd to dance they should make sure they have that in mind before booking a venue just for the numbers sake to pack people in for the dollar and then berate them because they are unable to participate...
As for the political statements i would be pissed as well....If you've come her to teach me a lesson f*** off! I know whats right from wrong, i don't need any artist to shove their political views on me and by the by why go to America and happily collect a big fat pay cheque from the concert ....takings which will tie you over for the winter, and then slap the poor people in the face with his political bull s**t!
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| eyoismos |
| Posted on: January 13th, 2010, 6:04pm |
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i pose the same question to you, bounce
if political statements where of the same opinion as yours, would you react the same?
as or being pissed off.......an den simfono.....tous grafo se afta pou eho....kai sinehizo na akouo ta tragoudia kai to minima tous
kai na min xehname.....zembekiko is mostly about the words
tora tha mou peis......
soma mou....soma mou ....ftiagmeno apo pilo
gelame merikes fores ....alla.....ta logia lene kati sinithos
of course there is
love, love me do, you know i love you ....(beatles).....some stuff just begs to be danced to (yeah i'm an old fart)
but even then....often later in their career the beatles gave political messages too....but then their songs got more serious too
so what is different today?
nothing really
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| bounce |
| Posted on: January 13th, 2010, 6:26pm |
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i don't follow any artists who have subliminal political messages in their lyrics.
I never liked the beatles..
Ok heres another thing, we know Greece doesn't like America's political views very much.
This artist decides to go to a country he doesn't like! charges an arm and a leg for his concerts.
Benefits from them financially, and then while taking their money he is insulting the good people that have gone to see him. this is were a moutza comes to the good people of America and a lesson learnt, never go and see him again ever and just buy the CD if you must.
Some of these people maybe wanted to go to his concert to reminisce about Greece and to forget about the bullshit thats going on in the world and have a good night out. Not to have it shoved down their throat
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| eyoismos |
| Posted on: January 13th, 2010, 6:39pm |
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Beatles are but just an example
the point is politics - as in how life is conducted - as opposed to party political lines o any sort - is very much part of rebetika
let us not forget, the resurgence and acceptability of rebetika STARTED in the states, via all the immigrant that left asia minor with the smirni catastrophe
again, i reiterate......rembetika is the equivalent, to a point, of the blues
and many an artist over the years, in the blues world, charged a fortune, relatively for the times, to give "subliminal political messages in their lyrics".....ESPECIALLY IN THE STATES
and besides....dont the states always make a big deal about freedom of speech?
wait...because a citizen of another country criticized the actions of the states some people get a twist in their knickers.......palease!....as if some of the citizens themselves dont do it....
like i said....if you dont like the verbal messages.....ignore them......and listen to the same ones sung to you.....its easier to digest, i suppose |
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| bounce |
| Posted on: January 13th, 2010, 6:52pm |
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I don't want politics or religion shoved down my throat by anyone. When i want to tune into politics its my choice not because some hippie has a guitar and and can string two words together...........No thats not for me
I don't like any songs with political messages in them..
If i want to get my knickers in a knot i can, because as you said Freedom of speech .
As for Notis or kathe notis out there, that wishes to entertain me with policitcal messages i too have a right to express my views and boycott his concert.
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| eyoismos |
| Posted on: January 13th, 2010, 7:05pm |
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or simply not go
or even pay to see a hippie and his guitar
but to start a whole "protest march" and encourage others to join in.....is a no-no
of course, being greek.....its a national pastime
freedom of expression, babe.....as kojak would say....the greek one....not the mavro |
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| bounce |
| Posted on: January 13th, 2010, 7:10pm |
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i wouldn't put so much time or effort in a protest march
i'll opt for the ... not buy any cd's by that particular artists.
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| a re kosta.....good to know you can see the funny side of things |
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A couple quick comments, as a Greek American I am getting tired of all the Greek American bashing that goes on; but at the same time Greeks thru out the world want us lobbying for them, building/repairing Greek churches and Greek schools and so on. Greek Americans are expected to live and make money in the US, but god forsaken if they adopt any of the American culture, if we do, we start becoming to Americanized for everyone else's taste, and we are damaged goods. And every time the US makes a bad decision we have to hear about it for decades, like electing Bush, as if the rest of the world has not elected morons also, and forget the fact that most elections in this country are almost 50/50.
In addition as a Greek American who's mom is not Greek, and do not speak the Greek language that well I have also seen more than enough snobbish attitude from some Greeks here in the states, until they need something like a job, and their whole attitude takes a 360 degree turn. |
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welcome to the world of greeks my friend
where the athenians constantly called the spartans barbarians......until the persians came about....."and their whole attitude takes a 360 degree turn."
deal with it
as for the americanization bashing bit....if that was a jab at my earlier comments.... i was being cynical....or didnt you notice?
maybe tomorrow i would like to tell you a story about greeks throughout the world and SAE and how the different greeks rom the diaspora, america, africa, australia, and europe.....and of course the greeks in greece
if it wasnt so sad, it would be flipping funny
later...when i have some time
in the mean time.....learn a very greek expression......" sta arhidia mou what others think" ......it will help you deal with your obvious frustration with the so called perceived bashing
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About artists expressing their political views, I am OK with it no matter their political background unless, their politics overtake the music.
About Greek-Americans, I like to think that many of them adopt the best of the two cultures customs, behaviors, way of thinking, and so on.
What set me off above, (besides lack of sleep) is that Mgs_Alx got all offended because Kostavv criticized his apparently favorite artist, and he went off on Greek-Americans as if that was the best way to explain Sfakianakis concert style. The funny thing is that Kostavv, it appears joined hellenism.net just to b**** about Sfakianakis, and Mgs_Alx created an account just to come to Sfakianakis rescue.
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| hi friend, I have the "sta arhidia mou" attitude instilled in me for the most part. Life circumstances have meant that I had to adopt that attitude about many things. However, as a Greek American, I am proud of both parts, the Greek and the American parts, and I will at times like many Greeks get hot and patriotic and defend the 2 countries I love. |
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typical greeks both of them
partaking in a typical greek favorite pastime.......bitching
and a good night to you.....or rather.....as i am on the other side of the world....good morning - he he he he |
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"where the athenians constantly called the spartans barbarians......until the persians came about....."and their whole attitude takes a 360 degree turn."
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isn't this the Greeks greatest weakness in history, their inability to work together and unite that has caused many of their problems, they had their Peloponnesian wars and other wars, and then they allowed the Romans to divide and concurred them, And didn't they in-fight (during the Byzantium years) and had all these small puppet states before the Turks came up and concurred them. |
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| good morning and good night, I need to go before my wife picks up the Greek habit of bitching |
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Hey Dino. You are right. Initially, I became a member just to show my disappointment toward Notis.
People join a forum for one reason or another, this one was mine.
I didn't think I was going to get this kind of response.
Greeks are more known for gossiping and their cynical humor.
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what i dont understand is why people attend a concert when they dont like the performers style?
anyone that knows Sfakianaki would also know that he always leaves the crowd with something to think about....i remember going to his first concert years ago where he ended his concert with "patrida mou"
Basic point is every song tells a story...the fact that "provata" upset some American Greeks just goes to show that people let their egos get in the way... his lyrics are of a true story, a story that has affected us all in one way or another...
the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8BwNqO0Cbo
song lyrics:
Provata
ÂÜëáìå Ýíá ëýêï íá öõëÜåé ôá ðñüâáôá
ó' Ýíá Üóðñï óðßôé íá ìç ëÝìå ïíüìáôá
êÜðïéá ðñïâáôÜêéá ðïëåìïýí ìïíá÷Ü ôïõò
ðïëåìïýí ôïí ëýêï ðïõ ìðÞêå óôï êïðÜäé ôïõò.
Ðñüâáôá îõðíÜôå ç óåéñÜ ìáò Ýñ÷åôáé
êé åóåßò ôóïìðáíÜêéá âñå Üéíôå íá êïõñåýåóôå
ðñüâáôá îõðíÜôå ðéÜóôå ôá õøþìáôá
ëýêïé èá õðÜñ÷ïõí üóï èá õðÜñ÷ïõí ðñüâáôá.
¹ôáí ìéá áñêïýäá ðïõ ôï ëýêï öýëáãå,
öýëáãå ôï ëýêï ðïõ ôç ðáñáöýëáãå.
Ëýêå ç áñêïýäá äåí åßíáé áêßíäõíç
ôþñá ðëçãùìÝíç åßíáé åðéêßíäõíç.
Ðñüâáôá îõðíÜôå ç óåéñÜ ìáò Ýñ÷åôáé
êé åóåßò ôóïìðáíÜêéá âñå Üéíôå íá êïõñåýåóôå
ðñüâáôá îõðíÜôå ðéÜóôå ôá õøþìáôá
ëýêïé äå èá õðÜñ÷ïõí áí äåí õðÜñ÷ïõí ðñüâáôá.
translation:
Sheeps
We put a wolf to look after the sheeps
In a white house we don¢t say names
Some little sheep fight alone
They fight the wolf that entered in their flock.
Sheep wake up our turn is coming
And you little shepards go play around
Sheep wake up, go for the hills
Wolves will exist as long as sheep exist
There was a bear that quarded the wolf,
Guarded the wolf that was overwatching her(the bear)
"Hey Wolf, the bear is not harmless"
"Now that she is hurt, it¢s dangerous."
Sheep wake up our turn is coming
And you little shepards go play around
Sheep wake up, go for the hills
Wolves will exist as long as sheep exist
-CHORUS-
Sheep wake up our turn is coming
And you little shepards go play around
Sheep wake up, go for the hills
Wolves won't exist as long as sheep won't exist
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Hi. As I said before, I would not have attended if I knew what was coming.
Thanks for the lyrics.
ps. Ending the night with Patrida mou is a lot better than Provata!
Peace from the land of the free and the home of the brave!
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oh?
so are you saying Provata is shite?
would that be because you cant dance with it, or that it shoves a political opinion down your throat? |
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i am just wondering how my responce above would be interpreted as
would it be cynical, sarcastic, or ironic?
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| Hi Jen, as I said above "About artists expressing their political views, I am OK with it no matter their political background unless, their politics overtake the music.", What I mean by that if I go to an 2 hour concert the music and entertainment better account for more than 1.5 hours of entertainment, if they spend more than ½ hour talking about politics I would be disappointed. I would not had gotten overly offended by Sfakianakis, but Mgs_Alx was annoying in that he comes and lives and worksor goes to school in the US, but seems to have nothing but bad things to say about Greek Americans and the US, and his outburst was because of one person's comments about one of his favorite musicians. |
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Hello Eyoismos,
I was referring to when you mentioned that the Greek's favorite pastime is "bitching" when I actually think it's gossiping and cynical/sarcastic humor that they have
And Yes and Yes to comment made at 7:04am
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Wow Dino, the comments you made at 3:33pm 1.15.10 are right on.
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Politics can be done at many political venues but not during a musical performance.
Example: You go to a circus with your family and the last part of the show dealt with politics/political views.
Example: You go to the beach and the lifeguard gets on the blow horn and says
"there are atrocities in such and such country and you people aren't doing anything about it" "shame on you"
So again, save the political B.S. for the B.S. politicians.
Entertainment is just that...entertainment!
It just make sense.
Can someone back me up on this?!
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Quoted from kostavvv, posted January 15th, 2010, 9:09am at here....
And Yes and Yes to comment made at 7:04am
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mas douleveis tora....etsi?
den mou les.....skiladika ta xereis?
ekei tha mporeseis na horepseis mehri to proi .... kai horis politikes kouventes
rembetika einai ile, kai sa rempetika ....sou milane
tora an theleis na "kleiseis ta aftia sou"....pige se kamia aithousa rave
afta!
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by the way, Dino's comment raises a question
how long was the political rants, in comparison to the music time in the concert in question? |
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Hello A8inea,
Your killing me on the "a rare poetic and lyrical muscial genius". Heck, a some of his songs are just "covers".
The only thing I will give him is that he has the "classic Greek laiko voice".
Still, he doesn't hold a candle to the musical icon Stelios Kazantzidis
Enough, I can't handle it no more!
ps. Those pics that you have don't help either
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Hi
I don't think there's a point Mr Kostavvv to argue about an artist. What makes a person an artist its hes controversy opinion in politics... But hes opinion which is something personal he believes in does not reflect the opinion of all Greece. But nevertheless try to find that greek inside you that you have lost as you started getting consumed by the American culture. America is a multinational country and almost all Americans have roots from somewhere else and they cherish and support their culture and artists. Try to relax and loosen up.... Too much stress ain't good for cholesterol  And by the way, cover songs but surely has a taste in the songs he's choosing!
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Certainly the USA is a multi-national country. Sadly, becouse of this, it loses it's unity.
It's cool to see Greece be "as one" during it's soccer games,etc...Very prideful. Although, as we speak, Greece, France, England and many more countries are becoming more "diverse". They in turn will loose their national original identity.
As I stated before, I pay for entertainment and if it's not entertaining and will surely not be back for more.
I am not stressed, trust me. I am having a load of fun conversing with everyone on this topic.
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Hey Bounce, I just saw your posts on January 14, 2010. Right on!
I refer to everyone to read those posts.
As a state motto here in America says: LIVE FREE OR DIE!
Freedom fighting America need not hear a socialist loving, self-important athiest, go home Notis!!!!!!!!!
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yup!
go home all the likes of Joan Baez and Bob Dylan with the liberal "unpatriotic" rhetoric as well
oh hell! they WHERE at home
lock them up and throw away the key!!!
America! land of the free!.....unless, of course,you are not a right wing capitalist with no social conscience
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Quoted from kostavvv, posted January 25th, 2010, 5:30pm at here
As a state motto here in America says: LIVE FREE OR DIE!
Freedom fighting America need not hear a socialist loving, self-important athiest, go home Notis!!!!!!!!!
ps. Got a little carried way!
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i like your American Motto 
but please remember it should apply to everyone ...even socialists and athiests
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You are right about that. That's what make America great. It's a country for absolutely everyone!
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| so tell me kosta.....is one still prosecuted in the States for being a communist, legal or otherwise? |
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Hi there. In America, you can absolutely be free to be anything you want to be...
When people say " I want to go to America", it's for the dream to make a good life, to be free, to work hard and prosper,etc...
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Quoted from kostavvv, posted February 4th, 2010, 5:15pm at hereHi there. In America, you can absolutely be free to be anything you want to be... |
oh you mean like.....
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we wont even go into the days of McCarthyism or even the hunta days Which America brought about because.........they were "freedom fighting"
take it from me my friend......america is a saint only in the eyes of americans.....thus the often expressed question, i hear far too often......."why do they hate us"
Quoted from kostavvv, posted February 4th, 2010, 5:15pm at hereWhen people say " I want to go to America", it's for the dream to make a good life, to be free, to work hard and prosper,etc...
As my family were farmers in Greece, times were tough, they came to the States in which they worked hard and thus we thankfully have a full and loving life... |
and of cource no greeks went to australia, Africa, and to all the four corners of the world about the same time
talk about biased blinkers......
as for "the dream to make a good life".....sort of what is happening to greece right now, with the huge invasion of immigrants, in numbers way out of proportions of what america EVER experienced |
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Greece is definately getting hammered by the wave of unwanted immigrants and the debt crisis.
As far a people "hating us" (America) it's easy to hate the "SOLE SUPERPOWER" The last time there was a superpower other than us was the Soviet Union, they disolved a few decades ago.
Have you ever played "king of the mountain" when you were a kid? You stood atop a hill and held your ground, then one by one kids climb up the hill and try to knock you off the top of the hill. The people climbing up did everything they could to knock the man at the top.
So, it's just natural that people always can point and state " they are the reason for our problems", etc., etc...
As Americans, were kinda used to it.
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americans are living a dream of self righteousness and self glory
as admin pointed out in another thread......china is thinking of selling the mountain she owns |
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My reply: China needs America like America needs China.
The United States isn't a NEUTRAL country.
It's a country whom the world seeks it's opinion when the world is going wrong.
We defend democracy. Example: In August 2008, the country of Georgia was being "invaded" by Russia. The United States stepped in and the Russians backed off. Georgia is a sovereign nation and its territorial integrity must be respected.
Who else is going to protect "the little guy" Switzerland? Denmark? They keep their heads down and point to The United States of America...
America is not perfect, we make mistakes. The important thing is that we stand on "being charitable" "protecting the weak" and "pressing countries" such as Iran from obtaining nuclear capabilities, and lastly spreading democracy...
Ps. Us Americans of Greek decent are super proud of Greece for all it's accomplishments. Those Greek ideals are still relevent today and the United States acknowledges this yearly.
Please read below!
http://www.greekembassy.org/Embassy/Content/en/Article.aspx?office=1&folder=25&article=23251
http://clinton5.nara.gov/textonly/WH/New/html/20000327.html
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Presidential-Proclamation-Greek-Independence-Day/
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protecting the weak? pressing countries?
hahahahha
oh wait..... weapons of mass destruction comes to mind
only if the weak that have got oil or in the position to control oil flow (aka a certain area in the Balkans)
please !!!!!!
the only thing that america protects is her interests
and nothing wrong with that.
what is absolutely wrong and deplorable is trying to wear the facade of being righteous and hard core sale of it
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Quoted from kostavvv, posted February 17th, 2010, 8:46am at hereMy reply: China needs America like America needs China. The United States isn't a NEUTRAL country. It's a country whom the world seeks it's opinion when the world is going wrong. We defend democracy. Example: In August 2008, the country of Georgia was being "invaded" by Russia. The United States stepped in and the Russians backed off. Georgia is a sovereign nation and its territorial integrity must be respected. Who else is going to protect "the little guy" Switzerland? Denmark? They keep their heads down and point to The United States of America... America is not perfect, we make mistakes. The important thing is that we stand on "being charitable" "protecting the weak" and "pressing countries" such as Iran from obtaining nuclear capabilities, and lastly spreading democracy... Ps. Us Americans of Greek decent are super proud of Greece for all it's accomplishments. Those Greek ideals are still relevent today and the United States acknowledges this yearly. Please read below! http://www.greekembassy.org/Embassy/Content/en/Article.aspx?office=1&folder=25&article=23251http://clinton5.nara.gov/textonly/WH/New/html/20000327.htmlhttp://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Presidential-Proclamation-Greek-Independence-Day/ |
My friend kostavv,you r wrong.Georgia invated to Russian territores i am afraid.Thats why the Russians has invated more on Georgias territories.This is has nothing to do with Democracy as you said above.I am not with Russians or Americans.Both try to manipulate the world for their own porpuses.(Sorry for my bad english). |
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| Posted on: March 22nd, 2010, 7:13pm |
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Hey guys, since we all got off topic, just a reminder that Sfakianakis SUCKS! A self important and arrogant guy. Such a freakin' dissapointing concert.
Let's not pass treating people badly (the crowd, the people working at the concert hall and his band members) as just "Greek humor". It's B.S. and I just don't get Greek arrogance since they haven't had anything to be proud of since the times of Ancient Greece. |
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